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Subject: Re: [chromapolaris] OK - I Have Diagnostics Now And They Are Weird

From: Bob Grieb <bobgrieb@...>
Date: 2018-06-01

Resistance is measured in ohms.

You never measure resistance in a circuit with the power on.
The meter uses its own current to measure the resistance.
Any current in the same circuit from the power being on will
cause an incorrect reading.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the new panels.
More likely something else could be causing a short between those
two signals. But we haven't even determined that a short exists,
it's just a theory at this point.

As I said before, measure the resistance between other pairs of SWSTB signals
to see what the resistance measures (should be high) then compare that with
the two signals I mentioned.

Maybe you should download the manual for the meter that you are using and
review how to use it for simple measurements?


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On Fri, 6/1/18, Tracy Barber adirondack_pc@... [chromapolaris] <chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [chromapolaris] OK - I Have Diagnostics Now And They Are Weird
To: chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 1, 2018, 2:44 PM

So, stick the lack lead on one and the red
lead on the other?  What Ohms / Volts will I be looking
for?  Anything above 0?

The membranes are pretty tough now that
Paul redid them.  I have to watch it though because
they have been jiggled around a bit.

OK, I see - high resistance. 
check for high Ohms on the pairs.  Unless I was sold a
bad brand new set of face "plates", they should be
fine.  Each line in the ribbons are good, except one
has a small piece missing.  Still 3/4 there.

Try this with the power on?

Since last message, I have reseated the
connectors and have done so much with it I should be a whiz,
but no - just a Dummy for Electronics.  Except for
computers, which are close but not close enough.

Tracy

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On Fri, 6/1/18, Bob Grieb bobgrieb@...
[chromapolaris] <chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [chromapolaris] OK - I
Have Diagnostics Now And They Are Weird
To: chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 1, 2018, 8:50 AM


 



 


   
     
     
      What I would
suggest is that you use a multimeter
to see if there is an electrical
connection

between the two signals that I
mentioned.  You can measure
between other SWSTB pairs

to see what the resistance should be
(high).  I would say
do not unplug the flexes from the

membranes, or do any cleaning or
spraying until you have
determined if there is a problem.

If you find a connection between those
two signals that
shouldn't be there, then try to
figure

out where the short is.  But do
your measurements first,
especially since the flexes are

somewhat fragile and you don't want to
mess with them
any more than absolutely necessary.



Ideally, you use a meter and an
oscilloscope to make
measurements that indicate

where problems lie, then you change
chips, fix traces, etc
to fix the problem.



Bob




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On Fri, 6/1/18, Tracy Barber adirondack_pc@...
[chromapolaris] <chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [chromapolaris] OK - I
Have Diagnostics Now And
They Are Weird

  To: chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com

  Date: Friday, June 1, 2018,
12:58 AM

 

  Bob -

 

  I actually have them here. 

  Section 9 of the service manual
has the pairs. 
That's

  where I got the info, from the
site.  You have a good

  idea, however...  I was looking
at these but didn't

  come up with any way to do
anything with them.  Your

  example would be "J" and "K",
vibrato
and pitch pedal, glide

  and rate pedal if you put all
the cross overs together.

 

  So, you're saying check out the
ribbon

  cables again for anything out of
the ordinary?  That I

  can do.  Clean them with
alcohol, yes?

 

  I sprayed the connectors with
canned

  air and used a little Deoxy D5
on them to clean them up

  already.  Made sure they were
in and lined up

  properly.

 

  Unfortunately, I can't check the
side

  that is connected to the face
plates because they're
buried

  under the material.  Also,
they're brand new. 

  Sheesh...  I also did the "S"
curve as told to
by the

  video.   I sure wished
they would've spent a few more
$

  on real connectors.  You also
can't get a swab in
there

  to clean the contacts better. 
I wonder if an alcohol

  pad would work?

 

  Tracy

 

  ∗∗∗∗

 

 

  If you go to this site, and
scroll

  down to the bottom, you

  can see the connections to the
front

  panel membrane

  switches.

 

  These are not shown in the
service

  manual schematics.

 

 

 

 
http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarisserviceschematics

 

 

 

  If you look at switches A and G
you

  will see that one end of

  each is common, and only the
other end

  is different.

 

  One connects to J9A-3 SWSTB4
and the

  other connects to J9A-4

  SWSTB5.   If something
is

  shorting those two

 

  signals together, such as a
solder

  splash, or possibly a bit

  of the old membrane flex still
in the

  connector, then when

 

 

  you press G, you could get an
A. 

  A lot of other pairs of

  switches would also be joined
by such

  a short.   I suggest

 

 

  you troubleshoot the front
panel issue

  and get it resolved

  before trying to troubleshoot
anything

  else.  A DMM

  measuring

 

  resistance should help to see
if there

  is some kind of short

  between those two signals.

 

 

 

  Bob



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