not all features can be dublicated with other modules.

the linear FM of the filter frequency is Unique to the A111-2.

also, patch-programmability have many of the doepfer modules (for example: the a143-1 can do many things depending on how it is patched. it can even process audio...
but even this vco has patch-programmability. many connections can be made within the module and do change the sound dramatically.

so, bottom-line: patch-programmable IS this A111-2 vco, too.


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--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Guy D2 < guy@... > wrote:

> From: Guy D2 < guy@... >
> Subject: Re: WG: 1 Re: discontinuation of all modules with CEM3320, CEM3340 and
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 7:27 PM
> The reason I voted "no" to the A111-2 in the poll,
> is twofold.
>
> To me, modular synthesis is all about modularity
> (d'oh).
> One exception to that would be the
> "patch-programmability"
> of the Serge & Buchla systems, but that is not the case
> here.
>
> All of the functionality of that complex VCO can easily be
> replicated with other modules, with the added benefit of
> having those modules still available to other tasks.
> A truly modular system with one dedicated
> function-per-module
> is always more flexible than a semi-modular or
> semi-integrated system.
>
> Another thing with the A111-2 which throws up a few
> questions,
> is its estimated price-point. I'm just wondering about
> the overall
> sound quality of such module if you integrate a VCO, VCA,
> VCF and Waveshaper in one go for about €250, when a
> single decent VCO or VCF hovers around the same price
> or just slightly below... (no offence, Dieter!)
>
> And another - somewhat lesser point - would be the
> technical
> quality of such a module; talking about bleed-through and
> crosstalk and such... though I'm not technically
> proficient
> enough to have a solid opinion on this... just a question.
>
>
>
> -gd2
>
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> On 05 Aug 2008, at 18:07, Chris Muir wrote:
> > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:51 AM, selfoscillate wrote:
> > > i don't see a problem here. you can just add
> a vca of your
> > > choice to the patch to get dynamic fm.
> > > imho separate vca's give the best
> flexibility, as you can use
> > > them for other purposes too, if you don't use
> dynamic fm
> > > in your actual patch.
> >
> > It's certainly true that you can patch a VCA into
> FM in. I mentioned
> > that in my original message.
> >
> > A complex vco like the A-111-2 is all about
> integration. By your
> > logic, why have an integrated filter or waveshaper
> Wouldn't a
> > separate filter [waveshaper] be more flexible
> >
> > All I was saying was that for a large class of FM
> sounds, dynamic
> > depth is important, and that, at least for me, having
> this VCA
> > integrated into the oscillator would be a good thing.
> >
> > Chris Muir
> > cbm@...
> > http://www.xfade.com
> >
>
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