o.k.,one thing i know for sure: i own a vcs3 and it
sounds NOT like a tb303.and i have heard a tb303 too
many times.maybe the modcan diode filter sounds a bit
like the tb303....but not the real vcs3!!!

bakis.


--- modularcharles < ospengler@... > wrote:

> I believe you're indulging in a somewhat academic
> distinction here
> between diodes qua diodes and transistors configured
> as diodes.
>
> As Bruce Duncan, who designed Modcan's EMS-styled
> diode filter points
> out about:
>
> "The overall sound [of the EMS-style diode filter]
> is 303ish with
> very high resonance capabilities."
>
> Again, I suggest listening to the sound of his demo:
>
> http://www.mazilu.com/mp3/Diode.MP3
>
> The sound is certainly much cleaner than a 303's,
> for obvious
> reasons, but one could only describe it as indeed
> "303ish".
>
> I really don't know why some people have such
> objections to diode
> filters sounding like a 303, or 303s having diode
> filters.
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hello,
> > if you read carefully to the text about the tb303
> > filterthat you have told us about,you'll see that
> the
> > tb303 uses "...transistors used as diodes..."and
> NOT
> > diodes as the ems filter.the ems filter uses
> diodes!!!
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> > --- modularcharles <ospengler@r...> wrote:
> > > Yes, I should have added that while the TB-303
> has
> > > the most widely-
> > > known diode filter, emulated on umpteen
> computers in
> > > ReBirth, in
> > > Oakley's superladder filter and TB-3031, and
> > > elsewhere, it's
> > > basically a -18 dB version of the Moog design,
> and
> > > that the Doepfer
> > > diode filter would be patterned on the EMS, as
> is
> > > the version sold by
> > > Modcan.
> > >
> > > People who want to get a sense of the sound of
> an
> > > EMS-type diode
> > > filter can check out this mp3 of the Modcan
> version:
> > >
> > > http://www.mazilu.com/mp3/Diode.MP3
> > >
> > > As you'll hear, yes, it has a unique sound and
> > > definitely not that of
> > > the TB-303 (which also has a unique sound).
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., phaedra@t... wrote:
> > > > An original moog filter like the minimoog has
> 24
> > > dB-lowpass-
> > > filters, a four time special tuned cascade of
> 6dB.
> > > > the TB303 has a rebuild 3 cascade with 18 dB.,
> > > which have lite
> > > other tunings and another saturation.
> > > > The particular of the A-102 is the dependence
> > > between emphasis and
> > > cutoff, there are modulations between the
> > > > two components by tuning one of it or both.
> > > > It is not the same as the A-103, which is a
> > > rebuild of the TB303
> > > filter.
> > > > If you ever heard of or worked with an EMS
> Synth,
> > > you would know
> > > the difference between these filters.
> > > > I'm not a technician, but I have good ears and
> > > know both.
> > > > The A-102 will be a very special filter with a
> > > very good and
> > > different sound to the TB303, believe me!
> > > > best regards
> > > > Axel
> > > >
> > > > Am 05.06.02 18:08:35, schrieb "modularcharles"
> > > <ospengler@r...>:
> > > >
> > > > >The TB-303 filter is in fact a diode filter,
> as
> > > described in this
> > > > >document:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Roland/TB-
> > > > >303/info/roland.TB-303.secrets 0048
> > > > >
> > > > >Therefore, it is your information which is
> wrong
> > > and not mine.
> > > > >
> > > > >All the best back,
> > > > >
> > > > >--Charles
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., phaedra@t... wrote:
> > > > >> The TB303-filter is a three time moog
> cascade
> > > and has nothing to
> > > do
> > > > >with diode filtering.
> > > > >> Also when many people havn't even heard of
> EMS
> > > is it wrong to
> > > give
> > > > >such information.
> > > > >> Better nothing than something wrong, okay
> > > > >> all the best
> > > > >> axel
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Am 05.06.02 17:55:24, schrieb
> "modularcharles"
> > > <ospengler@r...>:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >No argument there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >However, that wasn't the question. The
> > > question was "what
> > > > >instrument
> > > > >> >is *usually* associated with a diode
> filter".
> > > The obvious
> > > answer
> > > > >is
> > > > >> >the TB-303, fetishized by technoheads
> > > worldwide. Most of those
> > > > >> >people haven't even heard of EMS.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Therefore the word "bullshit" really
> doesn't
> > > apply here.
> > > Better
> > > > >luck
> > > > >> >next time, though -- I'm sure you'll find
> a
> > > good use for the
> > > word
> > > > >and
> > > > >> >all that caffeine sometime soon.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., phaedra@t...
> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> Bullshit! It is the filter of the EMS
> > > synthesizers!
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Am 05.06.02 17:42:22, schrieb
> > > "modularcharles"
> > > <ospengler@r...>:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >The TB-303.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe"
> > > <buechlerjoe@t...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> Meanwhile, what's the diode filter's
> > > claim to fame What
> > > > >> >instrument
> > > > >> >> >is
> > > > >> >> >> usually associated with a diode
> filter
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> Joe
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an
> email
> > > to:
> > > > >> >doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
> > > > >> >
>

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