Oh BTW, i don't mean to imply that I think Deopfer modules are sloppy or poor designs -
just the opposite. Deopfer modules appear to be high quality designs and build, a
massive selection that sound great and manufactured and sold at very economical prices.

And super reliable too - I have 3 G6 racks of Deopfer modules and all have worked 100%
since day one. That's quite an accomplishment from a small engineering company!

But about those "sine" waves... ;-)

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , Argitoth <argitoth@...> wrote:
>
> laryn91, haha, finally someone on my side. I spent over $3000 on my
> analog synth. Some of that money was spent replacing crappy-designed
> modules... there are no impurities in analog, only badly designed
> circuit boards. The impurity is only in the digital world.
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:34 PM, laryn91 <caymus91@...> wrote:
> >
> >>I thought we were using analogue
> >> gear because of its colour and impurities
> >
> > Some of us like the sound of analog because of its continuous (un-encoded)
> > signal - not
> > because of sloppy or low-quality product designs.
> >
> > BTW, do you think digital doesn't add color and impurities too My studio is
> > full of digital
> > products that add all sorts of audible (unintended)) color and impurities to
> > the sound.
> >
> > If you sell a VCO that can't make a decent sine wave - maybe label it
> > something else
> > instead. Sine actually means a wave with NO ADDED COLOR OR IMPURITIES.
> >
> > My 143-9 doesn't track anywhere near well enough to be useful as a VCO. It's
> > intended to
> > be used as a LFO.
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Excuse me Argitoth, but if you're so obsessed with pure sine waves, go
> >> digital. Buy Max/MSP or learn SuperCollider.I thought we were using
> >> analogue
> >> gear because of its colour and impurities
> >> At least I am.
> >> And I'll say it again: Buy an A143-9 if you want nice sinewaves.
> >> It goes far into the audiorange.
> >> Check the attached picture.. An A143-9 hooked up straight to my Focusrite
> >> Pro26 firewire interface.
> >>
> >> greets,
> >>
> >> Ernst
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Argitoth <argitoth@> wrote:
> >>
> >> > man, I feel jipped now. Every oscillator that doesn't have a clean
> >> > sine is simply using cheap parts that suks.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:43 PM, laryn91
> > <caymus91@<caymus91%40mac.com>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > My Aries modular VCOs have a triangular core that also forms the
> >> > > square
> >> > and
> >> > > sine output.
> >> > > There's a second sync'd core for sawtooth output (so no glitch). It's
> >> > their
> >> > > differential
> >> > > transistor tri-to-sine converter that makes the high quality sine
> >> > > output.
> >> > >
> >> > > Moog, Arp, Polyfusion, etc. all used this standard circuit to make
> >> > > their
> >> > > high quality tri-to-
> >> > > sine conversions. Looking at Doepfer schematics, all his oscillators
> >> > (except
> >> > > the quadrature)
> >> > > use that cheap simple diode converter. I'm guessing Dieter chose this
> >> > > for
> >> > > cost rather than
> >> > > quality reasons. I was expecting the expensive High-End VCO to be
> >> > > better
> >> > > quality.
> >> > >
> >> > > BTW, I was really tempted to get Tip-Top, but that video shows a
> >> > distorted
> >> > > sine even
> >> > > worse than Doepfer! Makes me wonder about the design quality inside...
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
<Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >> > Argitoth <argitoth@> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So far I think from best to wrost, (but I'm not so sure) it's
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 1. Plan B VCO Sine (good)
> >> > >> 2. Tip Top Audio VCO (a little better than Analogue Systems Never
> >> > >> owned one of these)
> >> > >> 3. Analogue Systems VCO Sine (bad)
> >> > >> 4. Doepfer A-110 (worse)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Laryn91, your vintage MODULES or your vintage tabletop/rack/keyboard
> >> > >> synths Don't forget that all my filter modules produce very clean
> >> > >> sines. Also, I believe the quality of the sine has to do with its
> >> > >> oscillator core. I think to get a clean sine requires a second VCO
> >> > >> within a VCO... as in, one module has to house two different
> >> > >> oscillator cores. One for square,tri,saw, and another separate one
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> sine... but I don't know anything about circuit boards, this is just
> >> > >> my guess. I think this is easily done in a self-contained synth like
> >> > >> your vintage gear because it's one whole system, not a bunch of
> >> > >> modules... or something... know what I mean
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
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> >> > an,
> >> >
> >> >
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