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--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Argitoth < argitoth@... > wrote:

From: Argitoth < argitoth@... >
Subject: Re: 1 Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:24 AM






laryn91, haha, finally someone on my side. I spent over $3000 on my
analog synth. Some of that money was spent replacing crappy-designed
modules... there are no impurities in analog, only badly designed
circuit boards. The impurity is only in the digital world.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:34 PM, laryn91 <caymus91@mac. com> wrote:
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>>I thought we were using analogue
>> gear because of its colour and impurities
>
> Some of us like the sound of analog because of its continuous (un-encoded)
> signal - not
> because of sloppy or low-quality product designs.
>
> BTW, do you think digital doesn't add color and impurities too My studio is
> full of digital
> products that add all sorts of audible (unintended) ) color and impurities to
> the sound.
>
> If you sell a VCO that can't make a decent sine wave - maybe label it
> something else
> instead. Sine actually means a wave with NO ADDED COLOR OR IMPURITIES.
>
> My 143-9 doesn't track anywhere near well enough to be useful as a VCO. It's
> intended to
> be used as a LFO.
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwas ser@...>
> wrote:
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>> Excuse me Argitoth, but if you're so obsessed with pure sine waves, go
>> digital. Buy Max/MSP or learn SuperCollider. I thought we were using
>> analogue
>> gear because of its colour and impurities
>> At least I am.
>> And I'll say it again: Buy an A143-9 if you want nice sinewaves.
>> It goes far into the audiorange.
>> Check the attached picture.. An A143-9 hooked up straight to my Focusrite
>> Pro26 firewire interface.
>>
>> greets,
>>
>> Ernst
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>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Argitoth <argitoth@.. .> wrote:
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>> > man, I feel jipped now. Every oscillator that doesn't have a clean
>> > sine is simply using cheap parts that suks.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:43 PM, laryn91
> <caymus91@.. .<caymus91% 40mac.com> >
>> > wrote:
>> > > My Aries modular VCOs have a triangular core that also forms the
>> > > square
>> > and
>> > > sine output.
>> > > There's a second sync'd core for sawtooth output (so no glitch). It's
>> > their
>> > > differential
>> > > transistor tri-to-sine converter that makes the high quality sine
>> > > output.
>> > >
>> > > Moog, Arp, Polyfusion, etc. all used this standard circuit to make
>> > > their
>> > > high quality tri-to-
>> > > sine conversions. Looking at Doepfer schematics, all his oscillators
>> > (except
>> > > the quadrature)
>> > > use that cheap simple diode converter. I'm guessing Dieter chose this
>> > > for
>> > > cost rather than
>> > > quality reasons. I was expecting the expensive High-End VCO to be
>> > > better
>> > > quality.
>> > >
>> > > BTW, I was really tempted to get Tip-Top, but that video shows a
>> > distorted
>> > > sine even
>> > > worse than Doepfer! Makes me wonder about the design quality inside...
>> > >
>> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <Doepfer_a100% 40yahoogroups. com>,
>> > Argitoth <argitoth@> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> So far I think from best to wrost, (but I'm not so sure) it's
>> > >>
>> > >> 1. Plan B VCO Sine (good)
>> > >> 2. Tip Top Audio VCO (a little better than Analogue Systems Never
>> > >> owned one of these)
>> > >> 3. Analogue Systems VCO Sine (bad)
>> > >> 4. Doepfer A-110 (worse)
>> > >>
>> > >> Laryn91, your vintage MODULES or your vintage tabletop/rack/ keyboard
>> > >> synths Don't forget that all my filter modules produce very clean
>> > >> sines. Also, I believe the quality of the sine has to do with its
>> > >> oscillator core. I think to get a clean sine requires a second VCO
>> > >> within a VCO... as in, one module has to house two different
>> > >> oscillator cores. One for square,tri,saw, and another separate one
>> > >> for
>> > >> sine... but I don't know anything about circuit boards, this is just
>> > >> my guess. I think this is easily done in a self-contained synth like
>> > >> your vintage gear because it's one whole system, not a bunch of
>> > >> modules... or something... know what I mean
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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>> > an,
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