I'm not at home, and I get the impression that you're gonna want an
absolute answer not something from memory, so I'm dodging your question
right now.

But, I'd like to comment in a different way against your statement:

>I don't think anyone is advocating that VCOs should produce
>a "perfect" sine.
>Just simply a clean wave what has no audible buzz or
>distortion. That's what defines a sine - just the fundamental
>component. Anything else is NOT A SINE WAVE.

Technically, "sine" could be the puritan quality you're talking about, or a
reference to something that's sinusoidal.

And yeah, I'm picking at nits, kinda' like you are. :)

The Z3000 "sine" is not a pure sine, it's a sinusoidal waveform that is
"just simply a clean wave what has no audible buzz or distortion".


Mark
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laryn91 (09:59 AM 11/25/2008) wrote:

>Are there audible harmonics in addition to the fundamental
>
>
>--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , Mark Pulver <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ummm, there's nothing "buzzy" about the sine in the Z3000. I think that
>> word was being used in the thread for another VCO.
>>
>> -----
>> laryn91 (09:34 AM 11/25/2008) wrote:
>> >I don't think anyone is advocating that VCOs should produce a "perfect"
>> sine.
>> >Just simply a clean wave what has no audible buzz or distortion. That 's
>> >what defines a
>> >sine - just the fundamental component. Anything else is NOT A SINE WAVE.
>> >
>> >It seems either ignorant, sloppy or misleading for a manufacturer to
>> >intentionally make a
>> >buzzy wave and then spec it as "sine" wave. At the very least label it
>> >something more
>> >accurate like "buzzy wave beta testers like" ;-)
>> >
>> >You can always start with a clean sine and add distortion as needed, but
>you
>> >can't go the
>> >other way and cleanly remove the buzz to get a decent sine. I'm guessing
>> >those
>> >rationalizing against the usefulness of clean sine waves for music
>synthesis
>> >have never
>> >even used one (since nobody seems to make them anymore...).
>> >
>> >
>> >--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "Mark" <mark@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi James;
>> >>
>> >> Tiptop didn't set out to make a perfect sine - in fact, one of the
>> >> things that the testers talked about during beta was just how
>> >> wonderful this sine _sounds_. I agree that I wouldn't use this sine as
>> >> a LFO source for the perfect panner or some-such, but you really
>> >> should hear this one in a track.
>> >>
>> >> And to that point, the sound of this module (specifically the sine)
>> >> doesn't have as much to do with the sine itself, but how the VCO gets
>> >> you between pitches. :) That's what you really wanna hear.
>> >>
>> >> I (and I figure most of us here) have a LOT of VCOs in their system.
>> >> They each have their place, and sometimes many places. The Tiptop has
>> >> created it's niche too. :)
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >> -----
>> >> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , James Husted <ersatzplanet@>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I was hot for the Tiptop VCO till I saw this video made about it.
>> >> > - http://vimeo.com/2206614
>> >> > That is one of the worst sine waves I've seen and the spectrum

display

>> >> > shows many harmonics that shouldn't be there. I count at least 7 on
>> >> > the spectrum display.