So what is the purpose of this Isn't a slightly imperfect sine
impossible to distinguish aurally And can't you filter out any
imperfections to near-silence with an LPF

On Nov 28, 2008, at 10:02 AM, laryn91 wrote:

> My ZO starts to distort at lower freqs (looks like a square with
> rounded corners). So it's a
> sine for only part of its range.
>
> I'm not so much interested about whose *distorted* sine wave sounds
> best, but who's sine
> output actually has no audible harmonic distortion (i.e fundamental
> only).
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > or maybe Cyndustries Zeroscillator...i think that should also have
> a very good sinewave.
> >
> > that said, i also really like a lot the sine of the A111's (i use
> them all the time!) and the
> sine of the AFG (regarding Euro).
> >
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > 1 group owner
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > Athens - Greece
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/28/08, laryn91 <caymus91@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: laryn91 <caymus91@...>
> > Subject: 1 Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform
> quality
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:17 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > I originally asked if anybody sold a VCO with undistorted sine
> outputs. In summary here
> > are the replies I got:
> >
> > 1 - Manufactures claim they can spec any wave with rounded peaks
> as "Sine". Even if
> you
> > can clearly hear even harmonic distortion - any roundish looking
> shape is a close
> enough
> > to be called a Sine.
> >
> > 2 - Analog vs. Digital religion states that analog must always
> remain imprecise because
> > that is its character. We don't want a clean analog wave with no
> added harmonics in our
> > system because that would make it digital.
> >
> > 3 - Finally the topic police posted their overall disapproval of
> this discussion. Even
> > banning members was suggested!
> >
> > So I learned if you want a real sine wave (as defined by Fourier),
> get Plan-B Model 15...
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, york luethje <ybl@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Why ban people I found the debate lively at first, although it
> later turned somewhat
> > obnoxious. Dieter Doepfer has given an excellent reply and I think
> matters should rest
> > there.
> > >
> > > York
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: kovski774 <kovski@>
> > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:30:55 AM
> > > Subject: 1 Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform
> quality
> > >
> > >
> > > or perhaps we can just ban argitoth the guy's a trainwreck,
> spoils
> > > every message board he signs up to with inane opinions presented
> as
> > > fact and a TOTAL lack of self awareness.
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, Bakis Sirros
> > > <synth_freak_ 2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > yes, good idea. i can then NOT join that group...
> > > >
> > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > > > 1 group owner
> > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > > www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
> > > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > > > Athens - Greece
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Frequency Divider <freq.div@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Frequency Divider <freq.div@ .>
> > > > Subject: Re: 1 Re: starting a modular - Z3000
> waveform
> > > quality
> > > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:31 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i would like to suggest the creation of a seperate list or yahoo
> > > group
> > > > for any future sine wave purity discussions. you could even join
> > > the
> > > > alternate tunings list for obsessive talk about tuning the vco
> in
> > > cents
> > > > and fractions of cents
> > > >
> > > > Argitoth schreef:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > btw, here's the Tip Top Audio VCO waveform test:
> > > > > http://www.muffwigg ler.com/forum/ viewtopic. php t=2158
> > > > > < http://www.muffwigg ler.com/forum/ viewtopic. php t=2158>
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it just me or does Analogue Systems VCO produce better
> > > traingles and
> > > > > sines
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks James,
> > > > >
> > > > > Laryn91, I just recorded my synth using the filter as a
> > > waveshaper.
> > > > > Good tracking is not needed, you just have to patch a 1v/oct
> > > signal
> > > > > into the filter's VC, but that VC needs an attenuator. You
> don't
> > > want
> > > > > to give it full VC. Here's the recording:
> > > > > http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ filter-waveshapi ng-test.wav
> > > > > < http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ filter-waveshapi ng-test.wav
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Raw sound without filtering.
> > > > > 2. With filtering (notice how you can't hear low notes, that's
> > > how it
> > > > > should be with sine waves, however the problem is that low
> notes
> > > also
> > > > > have small peaks)
> > > > > 3. With filtering used as a modulator (the lesser peaks means
> > > it's not
> > > > > good as a modulator, not enough volume anymore)
> > > > > 4. Without filtering used as a pitch modulator (this is how
> the
> > > > > modulation should sound)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm... Its anyone's guess if a filter is really worth using
> as a
> > > waveshaper.
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