> as for that sine, no one cared about that poor sine wave until about 10
> years ago. Many synths don't offer it, even Blacet wasn't going to include

The analog sine actually has a more prominent roll in EM history than that. In the 40's and
50', most oscillators in studios were sine because that's what test equipment usually
provided.

Later, in the analog golden era, most modular and many monosynths provided quality
sines (Arp, Moog, EML, Aries Polyfusion, etc.). You can hear the widespread use of the sine
in a lot of EM music written back then.

The analog revival in the 80'sand 90's was primarily driven by analog bass requirements.
That meant a very *fat* sawtooth oscillator driving a hi-Q LPF.

From looks of it, it's still pretty much the same requirement today.I'm guessing it's why
many on this thread can't imagine why a musician would want a dull and "sterile" wave like
the sine.

And probably why vendors like Doepfer put no engineering effort into sines - customers
want fat unstable waves - not precise thin waves!

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "p. hendricks" <ph@...> wrote:
>
> On 12/1/08 11:23 AM, "Argitoth" <argitoth@...> wrote:
>
> > ... I don't understand why people can't accept the fact some of us
> > desire perfection.
>
> Duke Ellington: "If it sounds good, it IS good."
> perfect anything doesn't mean it sounds good, it just all will sound the
> same, plenty of great pre-amps out there, but classics are always quite
> colored like the the Neve. There are plenty of pre-amp with better specs
> than the neve for $100, but a Neve is still a $3000+ preamp.
>
> If you want perfect, that is software/digital the only reason analog still
> exists is because it often sounds better, why, the imperfections.
> Analog: tweaked until it sounds good
> Digital: tweaked until it looks good
>
> as for that sine, no one cared about that poor sine wave until about 10
> years ago. Many synths don't offer it, even Blacet wasn't going to include
> it on their VCO, until enough of us asked about it. So it probably is an
> after-thought on many modules especially on designs older than 5 years. The
> sine was really dead until microsound folks like Ryoji Ikeda started to
> exploit it. Still those "perfect" sterile waves were from test equipment or
> computers, as it took a mammoth $5000.00 test osc to produce such perfect
> sines for them or the computer which could easily do it. But without out
> even the subtle imperfections that analog will always exhibit and gives it
> it's uniqueness often "warmth."
>
> Since you're result is audio, I'd kinda think you you should base your
> direction and opinions on what sounds good to you.
> -p
>