Hi Bakis,
you're so right, thanks having taken the time.
I think I have to buy a Model 23 from Plan B.
But you're also right that the A-152 has great functions.
I worked the last hour with it to see what you mean.
best regards
Axel

Bakis Sirros schrieb:

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> hello Axel,
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> no, this is not a matter of a 'one step delay'.
> its quite different.
> please, re-read my detailed explanation and you'll see what i mean.
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> in a true ASR, the voltage of each step changes with each clock trigger.
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> in the A152, the voltage of each step remains the same until its turn
> comes to hold the currently presented voltage (when addressed, via the
> address knob and cv input, or the clock trigger)
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> i hope Ingo Zobel maybe can explain it a bit clearer Ingo
>
> that said, the A152 is a great module that can do many things! it is
> just Not a true ASR.
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> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Axel Jungkunst < phaedra@...
> <mailto:phaedra%40t-online.de>> wrote:
> From: Axel Jungkunst < phaedra@... <mailto:phaedra%40t-online.de>>
> Subject: Re: 1 Re: Doepfer A-152 question
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:24 AM
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> Thanks for your explanation, you are right, so the "ASR"-effect of the
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> A-152 has a one-step-delay
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> to an original ASR, but the shifting of the states works as derscribed,
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> so, by example, you can
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> fill the cv output of sequencer to the A-152 input and feed oscillators
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> with the state of the T/H-registers while
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> clocking the A-152 with the clock out of the sequencer.
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> Here you can build polyphonic sequences and you are more flexible: for
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> example you can patch three
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> outputs of T/H to an OSC each, but you are able to use a range of six
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> steps by using the reset-in from a digital out
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> and patch the T/H outputs 1,3 and 4 to the osc to build interesting
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> tonal models.
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> Again, the only difference is one step too late, but it is the same kind
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> of problem as you
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> have with sequencers, which are resetting to the last or to the first
> step.
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> You have to accept these circumstances and nobody will hear that you are
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> not using an original concept of a so-called true ASR,
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> but a delayed one ;-)
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> There is a technical aspect and I'm looking at the musical aspect.
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> The audio examples from Plan B's Model 23 can be realized with the A-152.
>
> best regards
>
> Axel
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> Bakis Sirros schrieb:
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> >
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> > i thought that too initially, but:
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> > let's say that a true ASR's steps are empty of voltages.
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> > first step is filled with voltage 'X'.
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> > in the next trigger, that voltage 'X' is moved to step two and a new
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> > voltage 'Y' fills the first step. in the next trigger, the voltage 'X'
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> > fills the step three, the voltage 'Y' fills the step two and the new
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> > voltage fills the first step. that's how a true ASR works.
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> > so, in a true ASR, the new voltage fills the first step and the older
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> > voltages go down one step in the chain.
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> > the A152 fills the first step with the last present voltage in it,
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> > when a clock pulse was received, or a new step was addressed. the
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> > currently present voltage, that is now in the second step, will fill
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> > the SECOND step, with the exact value it had when the clock pulse was
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> > received, after a new clock pulse is received. then, the currently
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> > presented voltage that is in the third step now, at the next clock
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> > pulse, will fill the THIRD step with its exact value when the clock
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> > pulse was received. also, each output tracks the current voltage until
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> > a clock pulse is received, so it is a T/H and not a S/H unit.
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> > so, in the A152, the new voltage fills the NEXT step and the old
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> > voltages remain at the steps they were.
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> > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@t-online. de
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> > <mailto:phaedra% 40t-online. de>> wrote:
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> > From: Axel Jungkunst <phaedra@t-online. de <mailto:phaedra%
> 40t-online. de>>
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> > Subject: Re: 1 Re: Doepfer A-152 question
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> > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou
> ps.com>
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> > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 9:18 PM
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> > But it matches my patching, try it out!
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> > Doug schrieb:
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> > > What you are describing is great, and would constitute an ASR, but it
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> > > doesn't match the factory description:
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> > > "The signal at the common T&H input is connected to the addressed T&H
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> > > output. As soon as a new output is addressed the last voltage is
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> > > stored at the output (Track&Hold function)."
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> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > <mailto:Doepfer_ a100%40yahoogrou ps.com>, Axel Jungkunst
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> > <phaedra@... >
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> > > > Now I see the error in your explanation: the incoming voltage is not
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> > > > distributed to all
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> > > > 8 S/H outputs, but to the first one. Each incoming pulse shifts
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> > > > S/H-Output further
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> > > > and fills the first one with the new state.
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> > > > You can terminate the number of outputs by using a digital out
> to the
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> > > > reset in (look at the example).
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> > > > Try it out, I've done it, it works fine.
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> > > > best regards
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> > > > Axel
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