You are indeed an intense vocoding wildman. I should point out that
someone newly experimenting with vocoding could get 80% of the way there
with the analysis and synthesis modules and a preamp and something
feeding the instrument input -- richest choice obviously being sawtooth
waves. All right, perhaps also the voiced/unvoiced detector.
Everything else builds from that. I also believe that for simple
vocoding, there are cheaper routes -- the real beauty of Doepfer's
version is its complete open-endedness. Frankly, it can actually sound
a little dirty, not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

And now, senseless rambling about cases and aesthetics: I *love* the
idea of a 4-row 168-hp case. I've got 9 84-hp rows in a couple of
Raxxess racks, which is fine but inelegant. Then again, when you start
patching up those closely-space Doepfer modules with skinny
technicolored patchcords the look becomes inelegant pretty fast anyway.
The Doepfer is a kickass modular cleverly disguised as cheap lab
equipment. I really just care about the sound. I like the looks of
Analogue Systems' case, but it's so expensive. Somehow Synthesizers.com
manages to offer a great-looking slanted case for much, much less. I
wish it fit Doepfer-size modules.

If Synthesizers.com offered anywhere near the module catalog of Doepfer,
I'd be severely tempted, both for ergonomics -- big knobs, large
real-estate -- and jacks longevity. I need to find some impoverished
person surviving on beads of solder to do a massive banana-jack
retrofit. That would render the machine immortal. I'd never trust
myself to do it.


ringmod45 wrote:

>
> hi joe, doepfer recommends the A117 because of the 808 sound source
> part has 2 sound sources which are harmonicaly rich and complex and
> the digital noise or you could use the A118's straight white and
> coloured noise which contains all the frequencies both flat and
> coloured with different spectrum shifts.
>
> what the A117 has is a tuned bank of sawtooth oscillators. the plus
> side is you have a harmonically rich source, the down side is you
> have no tuning available on the source. you could always use an A121
> multimode filter to modify the source. but remember if you are using
> it as an unvoiced source, having the ability to tune the source is
> redundant. same goes with the digital noise. if you use an A147 lfo
> which is synced to the tempo of your track, you could use it to
> modulate the A117's digital noise and have a random synced source for
> your voiced or unvoiced input. you could also use an A115 divider as
> a real time modulator for the the A147's vc input. the best thing to
> do is to experiment, think outside of the box.
>
> to really implement the vocoder to its maximum capabilities, you
> would need to have the A129-1/2, 3 A129/3, 3A129/4 and 1 A129/5.
>
> you will then need a compliment of modules for sources, modifiers and
> processors. you will need an A119 for input and envelope follower
> functions to bring an external source for the speech input. you will
> need an A117 and an A118 or both as a source for the unvoiced noise
> input. you will need at least 1 A110 or A111 for the voiced input.
> you will need a mixer to mix the vocoded output with the high out of
> the A129/1. you need at least one of each following to control the
> A129/4, 1 A147, 1 A132, 1 A148 and 1 A140.
>
> if you wish to have more control, you can add the A191 & A192 to
> record, edit and playback your vocoded material. another suggestion
> would be to use the A129/3 slew-limiters after the A129/1 analysis
> section as manual controllers before the A192 for a rough realtime
> sketch for further editing in your pc sequencer.
>
> if you want to have a smooth transition between the voiced and
> unvoiced inputs, you will need 2 A170's or A171's if you wish to
> voltage control of the transitions, 2 A130's, 1 A165 and 1 A138 to do
> the job.
>
> i have 2 portable A100 cases dedicated to external processing, here
> is the layout
> case #1
>
> top A117, A148, A147, A171, A171, A132, ASo MX224, ASo MX61, A115
> bot A177, A119, A119, A129/1, A129/3, A129/3, power supply
>
> case #2
> top A129/5, A129/4 ASo Mx224, 2 x A121, 2 x A125, 2xASy rs120, A134
> bot A129/3, A192, A191, A136, A136, ASy rs60, A138, power supply
>
> i also change modules around when more of one needed than the other.i
> plan build next case to include 1 more A124, 2 A127, 2 ASy rs240
> frequency shifters, 2 ASy rs310, 2 A103 and 1 A174.
>
> once the Analogue Systems VC delays arrive i plan on building a
> special 4 row case with 168 hp per row. i hope some this helps you in
> your quest for a vocoder.
>
> regards,
> RM
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > Hi RM
> > I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and
> 129/2
> > and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.
> >
> > So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row.
> >
> > Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3, 129/5,
> 117,
> > 146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)
> >
> > Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page I already have an
> 118,
> > would that be adequate for unvoiced
> >
> > Likewise the 146 I already have 2X 145 and 147
> >
> > Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your terms "voice" and
> > > "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you could
> > get by
> > > for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis section
> and
> > the
> > > synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2). If you're bringing in a
> > > microphone, the A-129/5 is useful. The A-129/3 takes you into a
> > realm
> > > of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the
> > synthesis
> > > section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns the
> > vocoder
> > > into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds slew.
> > >
> > > For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and
> > synthesis
> > > modules. That certainly won't eat up a row.
> > >
> > > But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of modules as
> > the
> > > extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U configuration
> > offered
> > > by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for versatility, and
> > > shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable
> there.
> > If
> > > you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could probably pick
> up
> > an
> > > Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not
> modular
> > it's
> > > a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price.
> Frankly
> > it
> > > tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy
> > formant-capturing,
> > > and it's stereo.
> > >
> > >
> > > buechlerjoe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi UF
> > > >
> > > > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy
> with
> > my
> > > > A100 configuration, too :-)
> > > >
> > > > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a supplement
> to
> > an
> > > > existing A100 voice Would this allow a decent one-row
> > configuration
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I think
> > > > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the
> range
> > of
> > > > useful information shared by everyone here.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
> > > > > Hey Pig,
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the
> vocoder,
> > and I
> > > > use
> > > > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most
> > typical
> > > > use
> > > > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a
> > sequenced
> > > > or
> > > > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual
> > bands.
> > > > > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch Peter
> > > > described
> > > > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's
> a
> > > > vocoder
> > > > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its
> own
> > VCA.
> > > > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for
> all
> > the
> > > > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really
> > matter.
> > > > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have
> > individual
> > > > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing
> of
> > bands
> > > > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder
> does
> > the
> > > > > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band
> > output
> > > > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the
> > particular
> > > > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
> > > >
> > > >
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