Sebastian,

You've touched upon a bug-a-boo of mine, too. I imagine a
software package that allows you to 'draw' a patch like Reaktor's
set up, and then one could click on each box, which would open
up the dial settings for that module and possibly a picture file of
those dial settings and even an audiblle example if one was
provided.

this would be very very cool.

P


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "Sebastian
Schnitzenbaumer" <schnitz@m...> wrote:

> Doepfer community!
>
> it's me again - I've been silent for a while...
>
> I'm interested in improving one thing:
>
> Communicating Patches.
>
> I've been noticing this thread and many other
> threads that go:
>
> "Take [blah]1 from [foo]2 to [bar]3"
> Reply: "[foo]2 to [bar]3 Are you serious "
>
> Apologize for jumping in - I've been thinking
> about this for a while now and think this
> really can be improved with the right software.
>
> Owning and performing on an A-100 myself,
> its the modules that are the smallest unit in
> the system, so its about how we represent
> doepfer modules. Currently we have
> bitmap / raster images optimized for the Web
> of all modules.
>
> We need "images that think". An image
> of a Doepfer module should be more than
> a static black box, it should "know" what
> jacks, knobs, etc. are defined for that
> module, so it becomes possible to
> connect / link one jack to another
> between modules programmatically.
>
> I think SVG is the right thing - Scalable Vector
> Graphics in XML from W3C, an open standard.
> High-level XML patches could be transformed
> via XSLT into SVG. All module "images" would
> be generated on the fly based on context, new
> modules could potentially be "designed" by
> every doepfer owner in a module wish list design
> tool, re-combining SVG vectors for each doepfer
> user interface component to visually
> draw new modules and document patches like
> in a lego system.
>
> As a first test, me and my colleague Dennis
> took the A 110 VCO module image from the
> doepfer website, imported it in Illustrator 10,
> drew vector shapes around everything
> relevant, exported it as SVG, uploaded it
> to our web server, made it render in both
> Adobe SVG Viewer and thru the Flash 6
> plug-in. Since the module is now an SVG vector
> image defined in standard XML ascii, I can take
> the image from the Web again, open it
> anytime in Illustrator or other vector
> drawing tools, and/or print it at any resolution
> without any loss or blurs...
>
> The "openness" of SVG has another advantage
> - the module planner could then e.g. become a
> real web app also accessible for non Excel users,
> since generating those XML SVG modules /
> configurations server-side is then possible
> dynamically thru standard middleware (e.g. php),
> and a web form could be used for entering /
> selecting the modules, causing the web app to
> dynamically generate the appropriate SVG
> showing the selected module(s)...
>
> ... patches could then be expressed, captured
> and communicated a lot better.
>
> A-110 defined in native SVG XML:
> http://claus.packts.net/deng/examples/svg/modul_vco.svg
> Rendered thru Flash in your browser:
>

http://claus.packts.net/deng/deng_test.php f=examples/svg/mod
ul_vco.svg

> takes a couple of seconds to render,
> the SVG could still be optimized and made
> to render a lot faster, this was just our
> first shot - you can zoom in and out
> with the right mouse click.
>
> Look forward to any feedback...
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Sebastian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Schulz" <dasfonk@w...>
> To: < Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com >
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:13 AM
> Subject: Re: 1 Odd (but cool) behavior of

Doepfer A-119

>
>
> > Peter wrote:
> >
> > > Route Z into a Doepfer A-119. Adjust the Gain to taste (in

my

> > > case this meant full up) and the threshold to about 3. Call

this

> > > new signal Z2
> > >
> > > Now, route the the square wave driving the envelope

through a

> > > VCA, with Z2 as the control voltage and you will discover the
> > > most amazing thing.
> >
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > Which output of the A-119 did you use We´ve got the audio

out, the

> > envelope out and the gate out.
> > I suppose you took the gate out because otherwise the

position of the

> > threshold pot would not influence the patch.
> > ...but I´m not quite sure right now...
> > My first thought was like: Okay, as soon as the joystick is

moved, a

> > voltage higher than threshold appears and a gate is being

started. But I

> > forgot that even when the joystick is kept in one position,

there still

> > is a voltage produced (except in center position ( )) and the

gate of

> > the A-119 is still open.
> >
> > So what is going on in this patch !! Indeed, really strange

behavior ;-)

> >
> > cheers,
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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