Hi Synthfreak

> this group isn't about marketing for new modules.
> this group is about EVERYTHING that has got to do with
> the a100!!! (yes,i like the exclamation marks.)

What I said was that the PRIMARY FOCUS (yes, I like the capitals) is
on providing Doepfer with feedback on which new modules would be most
popular, and what features would make them popular. If I thought that
it was the ONLY focus, then I wouldn't be here. Like I said, I'm not
much interested in buying any new modules, and I use a keyboard so I'm
not much interested in a touch controller either.

> it's just that at the present time doepfer is about to
> release many new and(in my opinion)very interesting
> modules so,i am just helping dieter doepfer to decide
> what features to include,o.k.

I already said is was o.k. with me.

> so,some of you are DONE expanding your a100
> systems,so,what others are just
> starting,others,including me,have ONLY one modular
> system(a100) and spend their money on expanding this
> one system...

I also have ONLY one modular system(a100), and have spend my money on
expanding it. I'm quite happy with the module configuration that I
have now.

Do you really intend to spend money indefinitely in order to continue
expanding yours I don't think that most A100 customers have that
luxury. Even cuari, who had the largest A100 system I've ever heard
of, has stopped expanding, and in fact is reducing the size of his
system. I don't buy modules for the sake of buying them, I buy them to
create music.

It seems ironic to me that suggestions for upgrades or improvements
are perceived as criticism, and we are told to "shut up", when what
we're really trying to ask for is a way to buy more stuff from
Doepfer!

Its not much different from other music stuff. How many computer music
applications do you need You buy a copy of Cakewalk or something, and
you're done. But Twelve Tone would like more sales, so they make
improvements and add more features, and we end up plunking down more
money for an upgraded version of the sequencer.

> and doepfer's business model is NOT ONLY to expand his
> modules range...

Doepfer has the LARGEST module range of any manufacturer, past or
present, and continues to develop new modules. Some of the other
manufacturers have similar low prices, so the number of available
modules is what primarly differentiates Doepfer from Analog Systems,
Analog Solutions, and Blacet. It's obvious to all that this is true.

Joe

>
>
> --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > I think the difference in Philosophy is directly
> > related to the issue
> > of new gear versus existing gear. Doepfer's business
> > model is to
> > continuosly develop and sell new gear, and this
> > forum primarily serves
> > as a marketing focus group for that effort.
> >
> > Which is fine, that's what the description of the
> > group on the main
> > page says it is. I tend to ignore that aspect of the
> > discussion, and
> > use the forum to talk about music and patches when
> > the opportunity
> > comes up.
> >
> > I think a point that's being overlooked, though, is
> > that lots of us
> > are DONE expanding their A100 systems. That's why we
> > don't have much
> > interest in additional modules. Eventually, all of
> > us reach a point
> > where we have stopped expanding. If Doepfer is to
> > have any hope of
> > selling more stuff to this growing number of A100
> > customers, it will
> > have to be in the form of upgrades and improved
> > versions of current
> > modules and equipment.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > It would be helpful --- In Doepfer_a100@y...,
> > "Andreas Lindholm"
> > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > No I don't think it is. It is just another set of
> > those
> > "unnessecary
> > > features that you think should be there";-)
> > >
> > > I think you have been the most avid of the lot to
> > keep things cheap
> > and
> > > stripped down. Now you ask for things to be
> > included again. It just
> > doesn't
> > > make sense the way you and Florian on one hand
> > think that crippled
> > machines
> > > should stay that way to make it cheap and the next
> > second vote for
> > umpteen
> > > new features that are suddenly vital. It would be
> > nice to hear about
> > your
> > > general philosophy regarding price vs. features. I
> > hope it isn't
> > just a
> > > display of less self-centeredness. I try keep an
> > open and modular
> > mind i.e.
> > > make things simple but offer possibilities of
> > expansion so everybody
> > can
> > > decide for themselves what is vital and what is
> > not rather than
> > declaring
> > > what people do need. I have met a few users of
> > musictechnology and
> > found
> > > that not even users with the same gear work the
> > same.
> > >
> > > Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation
> > marks a bit on the
> > unserious
> > > side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try to
> > stick to standard
> > > netiquette...
> > >
> > > /Andreas
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 1 A little about that
> > touch keyboard
> > >
> > >
> > > > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> > sequencer
> > > > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard the keys
> > of the
> > > > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > > > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> > have a
> > > > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > > > synthfreak
> > > >
> > > > --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM
> > Eastern
> > > > > Standard Time,
> > > > > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to
> > anything
> > > > > good I would say that it
> > > > > > should either exclude all sequencer
> > functions or
> > > > > they should be very
> > > > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > > > something that if very limited when there
> > are
> > > > > several other solutions to do
> > > > > > it better.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > hello !
> > > > > i must agree here wholeheartedly ! better a
> > > > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > > > than a mediocre sequencer. after the kybd is
> > > > > completed, take a second look a
> > > > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> > something
> > > > > still visionary, even
> > > > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> > multiple
> > > > > arbitrary random function
> > > > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> > "creeping
> > > > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > > > best,
> > > > > dave
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > > removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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