Thanks a lot, pal. Very useful info !! Yet, a less clinical sound would be welcome, anyway..... Is there a lack of chorus on M1000
I think it would be a great option. It's often implemented on the greatest synths ( I own an Elka Synthex, one of the best choruses ever made on board..), since it changes the sound dramatically. Don't know anyway if it would be hard to be implemented on a 1 rack unit machine.
Btw: the "ring modulation" attempt would be great, one of my favourite options...
Cheers,
Francesco.
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Ven 11/7/14, analog gear
margus.kliimask@...
[oberheim] <
oberheim@yahoogroups.com
> ha scritto:
Oggetto: Re: [oberheim] Dream on, geek: The Ãœberheim Matrix-1000 Project
A:
oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Data: Venerdì 11 luglio 2014, 13:58
I don't quite follow this
per-voice argument. Everything that happens in software
(LFOs, RAMPs, ENVelopes etc.) is per-voice basis. Every
signal that is generated in software is calculated
separately for each voice, and the signal generation code is
virtually identical to M6 (and 6R), so no hidden secrets
here. The only exception is global Vibrato that is
'shared' between voices. Everything that happens in
hardware (OSCs, VCF etc.) is one-chip-per-voice anyway.
Another myth that has been
circling around for at least 25 years is about the wide body
CEM3396s versus narrow body ones. And it has been debunked
for a zillion times. I think even Doug Curtis himself
commented on this long time ago (or was it Dave Smith
)
saying it's not true. The only difference soundwise
comes from timer clock circuitry: while on M1000 all timers
are driven by CPU clock M6 has three separate LC oscillators
resulting in less 'clinical' clock and some minimal
drift that is usually perceived as 'more organic' or
'phatter' sound.
http://www.wolzow.com/analog/m1k-hardware.htm
On Thu,
Jul 10, 2014 at 5:23 PM, 'F.Manduca'
resistenzaaoltranza@...
[oberheim] <
oberheim@yahoogroups.com
>
wrote:
Sorry.
I remeber now that probably each CEM chip has a resonance
and cutoff section on its own... Am I wrong
So the less
organic sound on the M1000 is an issue of the "narrow
body" Cem instead of the "regular sized" CEM
found on the Matrix6. Or maybe a digital control of the
filter on the Matrix 1000 makes them to work too
"tight", making them to sound a little poorer...As
a cat on a leash looses personality... :-)
Anyway, googleing around, I found an interesting thing about
the Cheetah M6, that uses the same narrow body CEM 3396
chips of the Matrix1000. And there is the chance, as the
site keeper writes, to add some extra waveforms on the
Cheetah. Maybe also on Matrix 1000
Here are the pages that maybe could be useful to You:
http://www.maad.net/ms6/
http://wolzow.mindworks.ee/analog/m1k-hardware.htm
Just write me what do You think, I know it's too easy to
suggest something hard, when You have not to work upon it.
But, who knows...
Cheers,
Francesco.
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Gio 10/7/14, F.Manduca <
resistenzaaoltranza@...
>
ha scritto:
Oggetto: R: [oberheim] Dream on, geek: The Ãœberheim
Matrix-1000 Project
A:
oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Data: Giovedì 10 luglio 2014, 15:31
Great idea,pal. I would like to see
implemented a thing that only Matrix6 seems to have (
afaik
) comparing with our little puppy: filter and resonance
discrete for each of its 6 voices.... It makes the sound
fatter, more organic, as I can hear on my
analog-filtered
Korg DW8000.Chorus
Francesco.
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Mar 8/7/14,
jan@...
[oberheim] <
oberheim@yahoogroups.com
>
ha scritto:
Oggetto: [oberheim] Dream on, geek: The Ãœberheim
Matrix-1000 Project
A:
oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Data: Martedì 8 luglio 2014, 00:50
This is just a bit of "What
if".
Please treat it as a thought experiment.
I love my Matrix-1000. I love 8-bit
machinery. And I love modding things, finding simple
hacks
that make things better without taking large chunks of
your
lifetime.
Good starting point:
I'll have to take apart my Obie anyway; the battery
will
have to be replaced sometime, and there's the v1.13
bugfix firmware update by Fetz.
But why stop there
I think there may be
a couple of things you could do to enhance the
M1000's
scope, following these simple
rule: Tradition: Any modification has
to be downward compatible to existing Matrix
sounds.
Simplicity: It has to be
simple.
Aesthetics: It has to fit the
original housing.
Incrementalism: Even if
it's something big, you'd start small and move
on
step by step.
Pragmatism: If it already
exists, don't bother building it, buy it.
The reason for the last rule is
time - there's never enough of it, at least with me.
So
to keep moving, it is vital to be able to stop at any
point
and still have a working unit.
So these are the things I could come
up with that might be done.:A per-voice ring modulator.
Switched on by an unused bit in, say, the Unison
parameter.
Switching the
filter from 4-pole to 2-pole. Making the M1000
respond in real-time. OK, Number 3 seems to
violate my rules of simplicity and incrementalism -
this
is
a HUGE project, or so it seems. The M1000 is an old
beast
with a tired heart - the 6809 processor won't be able
to
respond any faster. But maybe you can use 21st century
technology to assist it - use a modern single-chip
system,
maybe even something like a Raspberry Pi, and have it
run
the original firmware, based on the technology behind
the
MAME game machine emulator. Then go ahead and replace
the
time-consuming modulation calculation routines by
native
code. Tweak, repeat.
The result wouldn't be a
different synth. Anybody who wants to build a totally
different synth may go and buy his or her fucking
Eurorack
system. But it would be a better synth. An object of
desire.
So what
would you dream up for the Ãœberheim
Matrix-1000
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