Yes, it's relativly costly to bring those features out. On the other
hand you get a highly normalized VCO which enables you to try various
dynamic waveshaping on the fly which can be very inspiring and thus
might pay off. Rgds, Ingo

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "laryn91" <caymus91@...> wrote:
>
> Several people have posted that because the CEM has a filter and
VCAs ,we're somehow
> getting the features for free (or even low cost). Look at all the
additional pots, knobs,
> jacks, connections and circuit boards required to implement these
additional functions!
>
> Ask any DIYer, usually the overwhelming cost and time is in those
passive components -
> not the semiconductors.
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "selfoscillate"
<synaptic_music@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , Chris Muir <cbm@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:51 AM, selfoscillate wrote:
> > > > i don't see a problem here. you can just add a vca of your
> > > > choice to the patch to get dynamic fm.
> > > > imho separate vca's give the best flexibility, as you can use
> > > > them for other purposes too, if you don't use dynamic fm
> > > > in your actual patch.
> > >
> > >
> > > It's certainly true that you can patch a VCA into FM in. I
mentioned
> > > that in my original message.
> > >
> > > A complex vco like the A-111-2 is all about integration. By your
> > > logic, why have an integrated filter or waveshaper Wouldn't a
> > > separate filter [waveshaper] be more flexible
> > >
> > > All I was saying was that for a large class of FM sounds, dynamic
> > > depth is important, and that, at least for me, having this VCA
> > > integrated into the oscillator would be a good thing.
> > >
> > > Chris Muir
> > > cbm@
> > > http://www.xfade.com
> > >
> >
> > hello chris,
> >
> > i totally agree with you that dynamic depth fm is great,
> > but including such a function would be nothing else than
> > adding a vca, which is already available in many incarnations.
> >
> > so why including a filter and a waveshaper on the a111/2
> > because they are already on the cem chip, so it would be
> > a waste not to use them.
> >
> > best wishes
> >
> > ingo
> >
>