Hi Bakis,
I`m not saying that the ems or system100 waveforms are better, I`m
telling I preffer them over the A111, and also I can hear a huge
difference in the raw sound. I know you are convinced about the 259 ;)
Best regards,
Josue.
----- Mensaje Original -----
De: Bakis Sirros <
synth_freak_2000@...
>
Fecha: Sábado, Agosto 7, 2004 1:23 am
Asunto: Re: 1 Re: buchla 259 vco or expander(dieter's
answer)
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> hello josue,
>
> there is no reason to convince me,i already prefer the
>
> buchla 259 complex vco module!(and i have voted
>
> already!)
>
> anyway,about the system 100 triangle and the EMS
>
> vcs3:i have both ,so i could compare their sound to
>
> the a111 triangle.and yes, maybe they have a
>
> "better"(if such a word has any real meaning in
>
> electronic music )sound,but, i guess,i'm too lazy to
>
> spend time comparing the vco's of my synths.
>
> as i, many times have said in the past,each and every
>
> one decent analogue synth can have very usable
>
> sounds.so,i still cannot say which vco is better than
>
> the others.i don't think that "better" has any meaning
>
> in electronic music sound generation.
>
> it's the programming skills of the composer that
>
> really make the difference in the end.that's my
>
> opinion only,of course.
>
> bakis.
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>
>
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>
>
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>
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>
>
> --- "
ALMAGATA@...
"
>
> <
almagata@...
> wrote:
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>
>
> > Hi Bakis,
>
> >
>
> > A triangle waveform is not just a triangle wave, not
>
> > only for the
>
> > different waveshape from one VCo to other, but also
>
> > for the changes
>
> > between adjacent waves and chages in continous
>
> > waves.
>
> >
>
> > About the triangle from the CEM3340 chip, I have
>
> > lots of VCOs for
>
> > comparing, including a couple of A111 (that I use
>
> > for modulation only)
>
> > and each one sound very different to my ears. my
>
> > favorites are the EMS
>
> > and system 100 triangle waves, followed by the
>
> > serge. Also I own some
>
> > analogue systems VCOs and the triangle sound very
>
> > different to the
>
> > A111, but I must say I don`t like very much the
>
> > triangle from AS...
>
> > Regarding the question if the organic quality wold
>
> > be in the
>
> > waveshaper, do the A111 saw have a organic quality
>
> > I ask you because
>
> > the SAW is derived using a waveshaper...
>
> > I don`t want to start the same questions we
>
> > discussed in the past, I
>
> > don`t see the point of thinking a waveshaper would
>
> > be the same as a
>
> > different VCO... Even the serge wave multiplier
>
> > (really complex module)
>
> > don`t sound the same using the output from the serge
>
> > NTO or the A111,
>
> > also don`t forget you`ll want to modulate FM or AM
>
> > this "source VCO" and
>
> > this modulation will sound different. finally, I`d
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> > like to get the
>
> > variable sync point as the 259, and we can`t get
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> > this with either A111
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> > or other VCO in the market (well, I own a polyfusion
>
> > VCLFO that have
>
> > this...)
>
> >
>
> > Best Regards,
>
> >
>
> > Josue.
>
> >
>
> > > hello josue,
>
> > >
>
> > > that's not a good comparison,in my opinion.the
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> > guitar
>
> > >
>
> > > sound is already very complicated when it leaves
>
> > the
>
> > >
>
> > > guitar and then it is just distorted by the pedal.
>
> > >
>
> > > but,the triangle waveform is JUST a triangle
>
> > >
>
> > > waveform(a rather pure sound)and then it is
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> > processed
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> > >
>
> > > via a much more complicated device(the a111
>
> > >
>
> > > expander/complex waveshaper module)before it
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> > reaches
>
> > >
>
> > > our ears.
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> > >
>
> > > so,yes,it could be possible that the organic
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> > quality
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> > >
>
> > > of the sound is caused by the complex
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> > >
>
> > > waveshaper,maybe.
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> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > also,the analogue systems vco is created by
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> > discrete
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> > >
>
> > > components but it doesn't sound better than my
>
> > a111
>
> > >
>
> > > ,to my ears.so,you cannot say for sure that a
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> > discrete
>
> > >
>
> > > vco will sound better than a curtis CEM vco.
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> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > that said,i still prefer the buchla 259 complex
>
> > vco
>
> > >
>
> > > module solution!why because i want a competely
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> > new
>
> > >
>
> > > vco module,NOT based on a curtis chip that, sooner
>
> > or
>
> > >
>
> > > later, we all know that it will become obsolete.
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> > >
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> > > bakis.
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > --- "
ALMAGATA@...
"
>
> > >
>
> > > <
almagata@...
> wrote:
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > > Sure mate, or will sound the same a 50`s
>
> > >
>
> > > > stratocaster and a 100$ guitar
>
> > >
>
> > > > if both them are using the same distortion
>
> > pedal
>
> > >
>
> > > > Also I`d like to point to the excellent
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> > Plan-B VCO
>
> > >
>
> > > > peter grenader is
>
> > >
>
> > > > making, do you think it sound the same than
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> > the
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> > >
>
> > > > A111
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
>
> > > > Josue.
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > > > > <tt>
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> > >
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> > > > > So the &quot;organic
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> > quality&quot; of a possible
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> > >
>
> > > > 259 expander
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> > >
>
> > > > > depends also on
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> > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
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> > > > > any (im)perfections of the triangle
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> > source that
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> > >
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> > > > goes in
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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