hello josue,
there is no reason to convince me,i already prefer the
buchla 259 complex vco module!(and i have voted
already!)
anyway,about the system 100 triangle and the EMS
vcs3:i have both ,so i could compare their sound to
the a111 triangle.and yes, maybe they have a
"better"(if such a word has any real meaning in
electronic music )sound,but, i guess,i'm too lazy to
spend time comparing the vco's of my synths.
as i, many times have said in the past,each and every
one decent analogue synth can have very usable
sounds.so,i still cannot say which vco is better than
the others.i don't think that "better" has any meaning
in electronic music sound generation.
it's the programming skills of the composer that
really make the difference in the end.that's my
opinion only,of course.
bakis.
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ALMAGATA@...
"
<
almagata@...
> wrote:
> Hi Bakis,
>
> A triangle waveform is not just a triangle wave, not
> only for the
> different waveshape from one VCo to other, but also
> for the changes
> between adjacent waves and chages in continous
> waves.
>
> About the triangle from the CEM3340 chip, I have
> lots of VCOs for
> comparing, including a couple of A111 (that I use
> for modulation only)
> and each one sound very different to my ears. my
> favorites are the EMS
> and system 100 triangle waves, followed by the
> serge. Also I own some
> analogue systems VCOs and the triangle sound very
> different to the
> A111, but I must say I don`t like very much the
> triangle from AS...
> Regarding the question if the organic quality wold
> be in the
> waveshaper, do the A111 saw have a organic quality
> I ask you because
> the SAW is derived using a waveshaper...
> I don`t want to start the same questions we
> discussed in the past, I
> don`t see the point of thinking a waveshaper would
> be the same as a
> different VCO... Even the serge wave multiplier
> (really complex module)
> don`t sound the same using the output from the serge
> NTO or the A111,
> also don`t forget you`ll want to modulate FM or AM
> this "source VCO" and
> this modulation will sound different. finally, I`d
> like to get the
> variable sync point as the 259, and we can`t get
> this with either A111
> or other VCO in the market (well, I own a polyfusion
> VCLFO that have
> this...)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Josue.
>
> > hello josue,
> >
> > that's not a good comparison,in my opinion.the
> guitar
> >
> > sound is already very complicated when it leaves
> the
> >
> > guitar and then it is just distorted by the pedal.
> >
> > but,the triangle waveform is JUST a triangle
> >
> > waveform(a rather pure sound)and then it is
> processed
> >
> > via a much more complicated device(the a111
> >
> > expander/complex waveshaper module)before it
> reaches
> >
> > our ears.
> >
> > so,yes,it could be possible that the organic
> quality
> >
> > of the sound is caused by the complex
> >
> > waveshaper,maybe.
> >
> >
> >
> > also,the analogue systems vco is created by
> discrete
> >
> > components but it doesn't sound better than my
> a111
> >
> > ,to my ears.so,you cannot say for sure that a
> discrete
> >
> > vco will sound better than a curtis CEM vco.
> >
> >
> >
> > that said,i still prefer the buchla 259 complex
> vco
> >
> > module solution!why because i want a competely
> new
> >
> > vco module,NOT based on a curtis chip that, sooner
> or
> >
> > later, we all know that it will become obsolete.
> >
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "
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> >
> > <
almagata@...
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Sure mate, or will sound the same a 50`s
> >
> > > stratocaster and a 100$ guitar
> >
> > > if both them are using the same distortion
> pedal
> >
> > > Also I`d like to point to the excellent
> Plan-B VCO
> >
> > > peter grenader is
> >
> > > making, do you think it sound the same than
> the
> >
> > > A111
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Josue.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > <tt>
> >
> > > > So the "organic
> quality" of a possible
> >
> > > 259 expander
> >
> > > > depends also on
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > any (im)perfections of the triangle
> source that
> >
> > > goes in
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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