Don't get me wrong. I'd really like to see some Doepfer kits, but
Dieter has to protect his company's reputation. Anyone have an idea

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com , "Andreas Lindholm"
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:

> It seemed that I overrated the actually manufacturing by Doepfer

in this

> globalized world. So I seems a bit trickier to manufacture kits.

And I fully

> understand the problem with secondhand kits that people sell as

genuin

> Doepfer gear. Technically speaking that isn't not the

responsiblity of

> Doepfer and no matter how rude they act such claims should be

ignored. But

> that aside I understand that Doepfer doesn't want that to happend

anyway

> cause it is always not worth it to keep fending off morons. So I

fully

> understand that Doepfer don't want to make kits. I wonder how the

other

> brands that sell kits deals with theese problems:/
>
> Kevins ideas for nologo panels could perhaps help a bit as could

could pcbs

> without logos, but I suspect some scoundrels might try to sell

them as the

> real thing too. And also customizing the parts for DIYkits would

make them

> more expensive due to smaller series. So it seems to me that there

is sort

> of a dead end here. A shame, but one I can live with since I am

probably a

> guy that would make a module od the "electronic garden style" ;)
>
> So even though I'd like to try a kit just for the education about

it I'd

> rather buy an attenuator module!
>
> /Andreas
>
>
>
> >
> > --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > Subject: AW: 1 yes to Blank paneRe: The
> > > most advancedAttenuator yet
> > > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:19 +0200
> > >
> > > ----> Please forward to the group
> > >
> > > > I don't see why Doepfer shouldn't be able to sell
> > > pre drilled plates and
> > > > kits if they wanted to. They have all the
> > > components and all they have to do
> > > > is NOT mount them ;) That would be very useful.
> > >
> > > There are some remarks to this messages (and similar
> > > ones):
> > >
> > > It is not that easy as suggested in this message to
> > > offer plates and parts.
> > > Normally we do only the development in our company.
> > > The production of the
> > > modules is made by a external production company.
> > > This includes manufacturing pc
> > > boards, front panels, cable assembly and all
> > > standard electronic parts (like
> > > resistors, capacitors, diodes, transistors, standard
> > > integrated circuits, pin
> > > headers and so on). We only deliver special parts to
> > > the production company
> > > (e.g. the jack sockets, potentiometers, knobs and
> > > special integrated circuits
> > > like CEM or SSM).
> > >
> > > And I have to emphasize that we made some very bad
> > > experiences with kits (we
> > > offered kits until about ~ 1998) and selling single
> > > special parts like front
> > > panels or cases:
> > > 1. Many customers overestimated themselves and
> > > converted "kits to garbage". E.g.
> > > wrong soldering iron were used so that the pcb
> > > tracks removed, wrong assembly of
> > > parts, and many many mistakes we never would have
> > > imagined (one customer
> > > soldered all parts without shortening the legs of
> > > resistors, capacitors, diodes
> > > and so on - it looked like an "electronic" garden,
> > > but of course it did not
> > > work).
> > >
> > > But the main problem was another one: We received
> > > many second-hand devices for
> > > repair. After checking out the device we found that
> > > it was a kit built very
> > > unprofessional. The second-hand customers were
> > > surprised very unpleasantly as
> > > they assumed to have purchased a regular Doepfer
> > > product. When they were told
> > > that they purchased an unprofessional assembled kit
> > > many were very angry even
> > > against and insisted on a repair free of charge.
> > > They were of the opinion that
> > > we were guilty for this affair as they were not able
> > > to distinguish between a
> > > regular product and an unprofessional assembled kit.
> > >
> > > So we will definitely not offer kits or single front
> > > panels or cases to avoid
> > > such problems.
> > >
> > > But in one of the messages there was another idea
> > > that I would approve, i.e. to
> > > develop an universal front panel and pc board for
> > > DIY applications. The problem
> > > is the layout of the front panel (e.g. 8HP, 5 rotary
> > > knobs with 5 jack sockets
> > > as many of the modules) and the features of the pcb
> > > I see a lot of new
> > > discussion ....
> > > We could offer such a neutral front panel (e.g. only
> > > scales for rotary knobs, no
> > > DOEPFER logo) and pc board only for DIY applictions.
> > > No confusions could occur
> > > as we will not offer a ready built module based on
> > > this front panel/pcb.
> > >
> > > If there is an agreement in the group concerning the
> > > front panel and pcb design
> > > we could offer these parts. The main problem is that
> > > to get a acceptable price
> > > we have to order at least 100 (better 250 or 500) of
> > > these parts. So pre-orders
> > > of a minimum of about 50 pcs would be necessary for
> > > us. I think the price for
> > > the front panel (stamped and printed) and pcb would
> > > be approximately in the 25
> > > Euro range. We also could publish the pcb layout
> > > file (Eagle format) and the
> > > front panel file (Corel Draw format) so that
> > > customers could do modifications if
> > > desired. A basic version of Eagle is available as
> > > freeware in the internet
> > > (www.cadsoft.de).
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > >
> >
> >
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